i believe i heard one QURAN sentences or maybe hadith that sound like this: satan like to be between dark and lights (something like shadow under the tree, maghrib time etc)..i’m not that sure but i heard that…! thsi checkered thing is black and white…same meaning light & dark rite?
I FIND IT ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS THAT YOU’RE NAMING MAYAN CULTURE INHERENTLY EVIL AND YOU’RE USING FOOTAGE FROM APOCALYPTO!!!! A Film by a man who knows nothing of hte practises of my people, how much research went into this?
this is nothing more than a witchunt.. and stating that hinduism is polyatheisitic shows you have not researched at all.. we have one God, and no hindu will tell you differently, but that doesnt work for your conspiracy theories and your movie does it. this series seems to eba witch-hunt, and all that it will do is spread hatred btween religions. I have loads of muslim friend for years and we always had tolerance understanding and respect for the others religions but after watching this there is loads of tension, becos now they think that i belong to a cult, and this makes me think that people who believe this are nothing but fools..so there goes respect and tolerance for other religions, which is something every religion preaches as one of the fundamental basics..including islam.. and in comes hatred.. so it seems more to me that the work of the Dajjal is being carried out by the makers of this video as they are spreading evil and hatred. There are other ways of making muslims conform to the ways of the quran, and educating them, but by standing on other peopls heads.. well that leaves alot to be said.. its very sad really…
This series does nothing more than point the finger at other religions faiths and ways of looking at the world and try to say they are evil.
You mix your metaphors with casual abandon, and choose random refernces to back up your assertions, with little concern for the people that you misrepresent in your zeal. You have no right to appropriate the work of other people that you haven’t taken the time to try and understand (Kubrick, Tolkien…I mean, Apocalypto! what are you trying to say?) and use quotes out of context, simply picking the bits that back up your mad dangerous magical fantasies. Do you really think that a nutter like David Icke and his blatently stupid theories about alien human-lizard hybrid illuminati has anything to do with Islam?
In the case of the freemasons, it used to be highly fashionable amongst leftists and hippy types to see them as a conspiracy secret society that ran the world, but i have researched freemasonry extensively; I don’t have time to go into it but it is essentially a fraternity that evolved its secrecy in less tolerant, less SECULAR days, when religious bigotry and ignorance were in the ascendency in european society and people could not openly question or explore their own point of view without fear of persecution from the religious authorities (sound familiar?) OK, it was and is almost without exception the preserve of the aristicratic and eductaed classes, but then again is by and large a spent force in terms of influence, largely marginalised by such important modern developments as telecommunications, the women’s movement, 2 world wars and the devolution of the class system. I am not a mason, and indeed used to be concerned about the organisation but have since learnt the difference between paranoia and fact.
Political power comes from the barrel of a gun, as Osama and his ’student’ friends know only too well, not from some supernatural being.
You say that the Secular world is terrified of your scriptures, but history has taught us repeatedly that it is the other way around; religion as a guiding force and moral authority is all well and good but gone are the days when politica leaders can exploit religion and superstition to convince people they should die for it, just as the days when the rich could send millions off to die in their stupid wars are essentially over too. Its called PROGRESS and the driving force behind it is science, which through question, experiment and hypothesis, challenges the way we percieve the world, and is the mortal enemy of dogmatic blind faith.
And if there is a global consiracy, it is a conspiracy of consensus, complicity and cowardice, directed by no-one; our world is a runaway train.
Right that’s about all you deserve for today; you make me feel very unhappy, and I hope you can see your way through all this BS to the truth,that what you call God, is inside you, and you are a part of it. Your religion is a guiding path to help you see it, to grow and to develop spiritually. But you need to be on the path with your own feet, with your eyes and heart open. The strangers you meet on the way need not be your enemies.
Maybe Mona & Sound man work for the Masons,Dont let any one confuse you when the truth is in your hart,you know what is wrong or right.. So believe what you need to know,,not what you just see on tv or some where else..
Im watching this document,and even my own girl think im obsessed with this theorie that these guyz follow.. im glad i found this document,and i will keep it in my safe,thats in my Brain.. Open your Mind everybody and Wake Up… Much love from me,,out of Amsterdam,in Holland..
Its simple guys; the technique is called ‘quote mining’ you find things that fit your argument and edit them together to make a patchwork of supposed ‘authorities’
No doubt the folk who made these films believe what they are saying but they should speak plainly in their own words and not a) appropriate and misquote other sources and b) incite hatred towards other faiths and ways of life
i would fight to the death to defend your right to be a muslim, as long as you respected other faiths and beliefs and world views. would you do the same for me if this film told you i was an evil person?
Why? Because I suggest that you are paranoid? The kind of ‘magical thinking’ evinced in these documentarie s display a staggering amount of ignorance. The idea that there is an evil satanic conspiracy, all operated by a sinister secret mafia-like society is just stupid and demonstrates a unsound grip on reality, and a gullability for the fear-mongers and bigots taht are selling you this conspiracy theory nonesense.
I do not work for ‘the masons’ nor am I member; you have clearly not read my post through; I researched them myself because I had read the source material (Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Stephen Knight’s books, Spear of Destiny etc) many years ago, and wanted to find out for myself…unlike you it takes more than a few quotes out of context and selective arguments to convince me; I am educated and perfectly able to do my own research, and am not so lazy to just look at websites that reinforce my own prejudices; in those days we had to go librarys (remember them?) and to talk to people.
As for the truth being in your heart, well yes you could say that, as metaphor for there being an internal, spiritual or meta-physical aspect to our consciousness.
I would laugh at you and say that what is in your heart is blood!
If we are talking about right and wrong, a robust exploration of one’s own moral/ ethical framework is always good for you in my opinion; I say never assume that you are right, especially when you are talking about stuff that is very poor on evidence. I would suggest that it is ridiculous to blmae supernatural forces and secret societies for social conditions. I’d like to hear your arguments to support the evidence of your ‘heart’ when the facts are clearly contrary.
Mr West, I would be very worried if my child was obssessing about freemasonic satanic david icke conspiracies and the end of the world when she should be enjoying her youth and freedolm and learning abotu the world
i think sound man is being too judgemental and is thinking too much, if the video had to turn us against oder religions well ther are NUMEROUS other ways of doing that! do u think they wud display 20 convincingly TRUE videos and totally ruin everything on the 30th one? HA!
I am thinking too much?
As for the rest of this series, I’m working my through but I’m busy. If and when I see one with a positive message I will have no qualms about offering my support; in my other posts I have even agreed wth some of eth sentiments, if not the methods of delivery and the underlying messages.
And yes I being judgemental, I am using my knowledge and applying rationality to the half-baked assertions in these videos. The ‘evidence’ is weak and cannot stand up to scrutiny.
For Soundman and Mona, you know I agree with you guys but up to a certain extent, with Mona yes this documentry will cause tensionsbetween religions but honestly if your friends were smart enough and if any muslim and non-muslim was smart enough they would see that the documenttry is not attacking polythiestic religions, they are simply letting you know what similarities each polythiestic religion has and the relations with the Dajjal. If you take a look at stats and history monotheism are the three top religions of the world today, and this is no coinscidence it is simply the truth that there is only one God, and for Mona to say that Hinduism only has one God she is right, but please let me know if I’m right or wrong…How many Gods do you associate with your one God?
Also I would like to say that the poeple behind this documentry are not telling the veiwers to hate or suspect other religions, they are simply telling you beleive in your own but don’t get misguided.
So keep your non0muslim friends and continue to do what you do, but be sure to stay true to your religion, your lord and to strive for the hereafter and not for this world and it’s worldly desires.
So as a muslim I urge all other muslims to remain peacful towards other religions and to not cause any tension, because the people behind this documentry are conveying a message, it depends how you take it, as a muslim and as a non-muslim you should take the good and leave the bad.
Salam
By the way, the messages in these video’s can not only be found here, research it yourself and you’ll find that these same views have been derided by muslims, christians, jews, atheists, etc.
So if you want to find out the same messages from a non islamic point of view, google it yourself, and you’ll find them 100%
This series has been done in the Islamic point of view, and i’m glad it has, because I have total faith in Islam and it’s teachings!!!
Sound Man, have you ever researched the Qur’an (Koran)? This is the word of Allah (God) himself. Would love to find out how you put a spin on that!!!
The earlier scriptures are not preserved in their original form and have undergone changes with the passage of time,still we find recognizable glimpses of such prophecies pointing to prophet Muhammad(pbuh).Examples:
1)In Jewish and Christian Scriptures :
There are references both in the old Testament and New Testament : Deuteronomy 18:18,Genesis 21:13 ,18, Isaiah 42:1-13,John 16:7-14,John 14:16
2)In Hindu Scriptures :
The prophet is mentioned as “Mahamad” IN Bhavishya Puran (Prati Sarg Parv 111:3,3,5-8)and as “Narashansaha”in an Atharava Veda(20th chapter ,Kuntap Sukt)which literally means “the praised one” in English,equivalent in meaning to the arabic name “Muhammad”
3)In Buddhist Scriptures : The prophet is mentioned as “Maitreya” or “Mettaya”(Miroku in Japanese ,Mei-ta-li-ye in Chinese ,Mahitreja in Tibetan)which means “Mercy unto all” ,as the quran calls the prophet (pbuh)(Quran 21:107)
4)In Zoroastrian(Parsi)Scriptures :
The prophet to come is mentioned as “Soeshyant”(the mercy unto all)and “Astvat-ereta” in Zend Avesta and also in Dasatir,epistle of Sasan i,55-61(See ‘muhammad in parsi,Hindoo,and Buddhist Scriptures by A.H Vidyarthi and U.Ali ,published by ISLAMIC book service,New Delhi,India)
Prophecies about advent of Muhammad (pbuh)in earlier scriptures world-wide indicate that
a)source of all the revealed religions is the same or in other words the religion of all earlier prophet was the same(“Islam”)
b)The awaited Prophet i.e prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is the universal prophet.All people now are called upon to examine his history and to follow his teachings
@Caliphate :Jazakallah kheir for wonderful comment.
“I’d like to hear your arguments to support the evidence of your ‘heart’ when the facts are clearly contrary.”
Hmm…..Heart rules mind or mind rules heart?
If mind does then mind is affected by surroundings.Mind is affected when one grasp or interprets something from society.Today society and surrounding even before also affect everybody,no body can escape.
That’s one point.How will heart rule brain because it is brain (mind)that controls heart.Heart pumps and purifies blood.But how does that happen when impulses come from mind and transmit a message to heart saying heart to purify blood and again impulse comes and transmit message to vein to circulate pure blood in body.
Without heart or brain one can’t survive.But will society or surrounding affect brain first or heart?
If one part of body gets damaged which part of body is more affected?”Brain”How?
Psychological effect ,though brain is in right position.
Now you tell,how will heart function properly if the brain is grasping or interpreting or learning something bad from the society and thinking that what ever he is learning is good for him where as it is not?
I have indeed researched the Koran and Islam, as I have too with Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Animism, Wicca, the Occult, Freemasonry, Mediteranian Paganism, and many other faith systems. If I told you what I think about Islam you might be offended, since I cannot accept the position that it was revealed by a supernatural entity. But ultimately, as I have posted elsewhere, if your faith helps you be a better person, then I also have to accept it as a good thing. I am not trying to convert you or encourage you to apostacy; it would be pointless. I am interested in challenging the unqualified attacks, unproven speculative conspiracy theories and dangerous half-truths that these videos propogate. If you can come back at me with rational arguments rather than more quotes from scripture, which is qualfied in your worldview by your faith, which I have already stated I’m not buying into, then we can have a debate.
Okay, I see everyone is getting rather carried away.
There are conspiracy theories, all over the world about all sorts of things. And everyone is entitled to express their beliefs regarding these things. However, it is so important to avoid discriminating other faiths and cultures whilst making a subject relevant to one particular faith/culture. That is not an educated explanation nor a smart way to raise awareness.
I do believe in the existence of secret societies and occult symbolism, however, in my opinion it is something of a global subject rather than directly relating to one group of people or the other. I believe these things affect everyone, however, it is not something we should be obsessing about. Careful and neutral research is a must in these situations and you must remember that the internet is used by the world over – you have a large audience, many of whom will just take your word for and assume your opinion as their own. That is their own shortcoming but you must make sure that you are not passing on discrimination as part and parcel of these opinions, nor a narrow mindedness.
Part of an islamic essence is humanity and so, please take caution in the production of your videos. It is very easy to offend, therefore, an art of diplomacy is needed and in my opinion, more depth in knowledge about the matter at hand. Otherwise, there is, indeed, a feeling of isolating Muslims from the rest of the world as the only affected by any global issues. This is not true. EVERYONE is affected but everyone must deal with it according to their own beliefs but according to human principles too.
” If I told you what I think about Islam you might be offended, since I cannot accept the position that it was revealed by a supernatural entity.”
Elaborate please….
I wish to know what reason makes u think like that,it will be learning part for me.
In one way i will get clear concept
and
on second hand more closer to God(AS my believe)
Everyone should chillout and watch the whole series AND then start talking cuz there’s no point talking while you’re half threw since some things get explained later on in the series
I am a muslim. and i think that the muslims who did this video and think the way they think, are idiots. checkered floors being pathway to another dimension, proved from a matrix video. duh! even that is wrong. when neo visits morpheus, they are both inside the matrix. and matrix isnt a dimension, its a computer program. i am sure the ppl who believes the theory put forward by this video will remember that and will feel like a stupid now!
I won’t elaborate, no, since my position with this forum is to point out the inconsistancies and flaws in the arguments that these videos are riddled with. If I were to engage in metaphysical or theological debate with you, it would be too easy for my critics to say I am trying to attack your religion. I am not trying to convert you; why would I want to?
But, please, don’t let people mislead you with selective arguments.
I commend Amira for her (?) balanced and considered posting. however think it is naive to suppose that the producers of these videos have any interest in anything but their own agenda.
Just try to get the big picture. They do their best trying to make vids, so sometimes they have to take images out of the context; not judging those images but only showing them as an example.
not good enough Mohamed, not good enough at all; if this is there best then they are doomed to be poor filmakers forever. i have argued extensively in the intro chapter about how and why they are wrong in this approach
I’ve been reading much of the comments and I have to say whether you agree with it or not the information in this document is interesting. Take the info and build up on it or at least take the information you know and research it on your own time and I’m pretty sure some of these statements will indeed be relevent. I have a Hindu friend and she told me that her family has a past of praying to GODS not God but Gods so it does occur in most areas. I don’t want to seem rude it really is just my character, but these people actually did do a lot of research on this subject; you can tell by their editing, and awesome inputs of analogies. This emphasizes, broadens and clarifies doubts subjected in this world. If you can explain better, which I doubt, on how some of these things actually came about I’d watch those videos as well. Some of these stuff shouldn’t be taken seriously because they aren’t trying to provoke paranoia! Instead these are examples like the matrix duh! How come people who watch movies like that wonder if there really are other dimensions like that or allow themselves to live in a fantasy world?? Simple, because the human mind wants to believe whatever it wants. The people who worked on this documentary simply worked on that idea, take what people want to believe and compare it to what people need to believe.
Ive watched The Arrivals twice now, and as far as I know it is pretty accurate.
Now i know hindues are a little upset because yes I agree that the Sanatana Dharma (real term for Hindu) believe in one god, or suppose to anyway, but there is no hiding the fact that they have many many demi gods, which is actually against their holy book.
You can angry as much as you like at the makers of this film, but it doesnt change the truth that ‘Hindues’ worship many gods. Its irrelevant whether they are demi gods or not.
Im sure your holy book doesnt advise drinking urine, but i know you filthy people do it.
It’s very simple, polytheism religions are always and at all times impure and negative with very dark sides to them.
I challenge anyone to disprove this.
Your cast systems, worshipping of Elephants, Monkeys, Demons, Penis aka Cocks.
There is also the ritual of priests who go around the country naked, and the women atleast, maybe the men, bow down and kiss the holy cock.
This is fucking madness.
Come on people, this has nothing to do with truth or loyalty to god, but it is only loyal to the ‘old boys club’.
Besides Indians historically generally have never had a problem with invasion or oppression from outsiders aslong as their bellys are full and so are their bank accounts.
I know alot of people are washing their hands of this project for example, but alot of the issues presented in the film are actually historically correct.
I have read of alot of people accussing these guys of working for Government Agencies etc, but even if that is the case, the facts speak for themselves.
I think one of the problems non muslims have with this film and other films like this, is that Islam, the Prophet pbuh were the first to warn the world regarding these events.
Also many Muslim scholars and writers were way ahead of people like David Icke and Alex Jones.
Actaully if there are 2 people who are likely to be working for Government, it is Alex Jones and David Icke.
David Ickes first scam was to present himself as the messiah, the son of god.
When he got laughed out of the Churches and society itself, he regrouped and struck gold the second time.
Alex Jones, is an American Patriot.
But the problem with ALex Jones is that he fails to recognise the Masonic Foundations of the USA.
If the foundations are masonic, that means it is Satanic.
How can Alex Jones preach the ‘pperspective of the founding fathers’, when in fact they were virtually all Masons ????
No wonder the world wants rid of Muslims and Islam.
Lets hope not too many sell their souls to the Devil in ignorance.
Btw One more thing.
A few comments are above are critical of the way the film makers have approached this project.
The truth should always be presented straight forward and to the point, and that is exactly the way the guys have done it, good on you.
Now as for the other people, who i think are critical for the sake of it or are laughing at the film makers, unless you have proof to disprove the facts, than i suggest you remain quiet.
That is the problem with these internet, tv & media junkies, no one reads a fucking book these days, yet everyone is some sort of professor or scholar.
The point of the series is not degrade any religion as we being muslims have high regard for the Prophets Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them)….the thing about the Hindu Gods reference also doesn’t mean that Hindus are evil….I being a muslim know that there are evil muslims in our society as well…they take bribe, drink wine etc that doesn’t make Islam as a bad religion….those are individuals….the point is uncovering those evil people who are deceiving and controlling the minds of innocent people
I enjoy your series .. and all you people who disagree ..dont watch it if it offends u.. its a doc about the antichrist .. the goal isnt to shun other religous.. their goal is to open the eyes of Muslims and pretty much everyone around the world .. stop trying to change the true meaning of this doc.
Salam3alaikum.
As far as i know…it is not forbidden to liaise with the jinns, many scholars even of these day liaise with them in order to teach them (I know of this, I have seen a jinn), and there are various hadiths about jinns wanting to marry human beings but that is a seperate topic. There are events in history where very pious scholars have been given the ability to see and gain assistance from jinns with no hidden agenda and with no demand from their side. As humans were once used as slaves by other human beings, some humans did it out of respect and for islamic reward (thawab), same as many pious jinns also like to serve pious jinns and human beings on matter of reward. This is a very important point to remember.
Salam.
Nooo..these vids are not tryin to cause any tension
between religions.if u think yes,then plz do tell me when?which part??they actually said wars shouldn’t be
between muslims,christians nor jews!
anyways….good job u guys,,wow wow wow!!
Allah Ma3akom:)
Atahualpa:
You are offended because he showed the movie where a human sacrifice if offered to the Gods? So you are saying that your ancestors didn’t sacrifice people to please their Gods? or that you are proud of such actions?!!
If you are descended from Mayans, then that doesn’t mean you liked all that they did! Criticizing one aspect of their idol-worshiping doesn’t mean that the whole civilization is negatively presented!
I don’t understand how one’s pride blind him into getting offended over nothing!
You are a Hindu, I get it! I have a Hindu friend myself.
Getting offended is understood…But denying your own beliefs to make a statement is not!
Hinduism is a complex religion that one can’t even begin to understand! But no Hindu will deny the vast number of deities they have…
There is a supreme being but they are numerous other deities as well…So ultimately , we have many Gods!
I thought of a way to answer to your comments! And I got pretty good one too..
But then I thought to myself: why?! What’s the use?!
There is no common ground for debate here even if we pretended there is. Humanity, common sense, logic…
But what good will it get me in debating with someone who denies the one thing that defines me as a human being?! I take pride in my faith, I believe it like life itself…
Allah says in the Quran that there will come a day (Judgment) when He will tell us all that we need to know and answer to all our arguments. So I will ask him inshallah to show me your face then …
What are you confused about? The documentary or your faith? Be specific…
If the documentary, then it’s the work of humans, brilliant as it is, it is still subject to error and personal understanding.
As they are trying to show you the bigger picture, they may have depended too much on movies but I believe this is what they had at hand to convey it.
If it is your faith you ‘re confused about, then be careful! Not the words of a “sound man” waver or shake your faith…
Because here it is not the work of humans which can be flawed, it is the work of Almighty Allah that never makes mistakes and never forgets..
Aldajjal is a true thing mentioned in the prophet’s teachings, and this documentary is just to show the grave danger that accompany him..
You have to protect your self by unwavering faith and by reciting the do3a’a min aldajjal after the last tashahod in every prayer..
Prophet’s Mohammad PBUH said:”No graver danger faces my people that the danger of Aldajjal (anti-Christ)”
July 12th, 2009 on 6:21 am
Assalamualaikum ,
the game chess use the checkered floor as the game board. Is it okay to play them?
August 8th, 2009 on 5:14 am
i wanted to ask the samme question.. is it ok to play chess? if not then what are the harms? plz explain.
God bless..great work!
August 10th, 2009 on 1:55 am
i believe i heard one QURAN sentences or maybe hadith that sound like this: satan like to be between dark and lights (something like shadow under the tree, maghrib time etc)..i’m not that sure but i heard that…! thsi checkered thing is black and white…same meaning light & dark rite?
August 13th, 2009 on 12:36 am
can you please try to use bigger letter type for those who can not see very good and maybe just a little slower with the comments
August 21st, 2009 on 7:10 pm
the ulema karam in pakistan do say that muslims should not play chess…i have heard it by religious scholars.fatwas on it.
August 25th, 2009 on 3:29 pm
Imam Ali (a.s.) has strictly forbidden the play of chess in his ahadith.
September 1st, 2009 on 8:32 am
I FIND IT ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS THAT YOU’RE NAMING MAYAN CULTURE INHERENTLY EVIL AND YOU’RE USING FOOTAGE FROM APOCALYPTO!!!! A Film by a man who knows nothing of hte practises of my people, how much research went into this?
September 10th, 2009 on 3:34 pm
this is nothing more than a witchunt.. and stating that hinduism is polyatheisitic shows you have not researched at all.. we have one God, and no hindu will tell you differently, but that doesnt work for your conspiracy theories and your movie does it. this series seems to eba witch-hunt, and all that it will do is spread hatred btween religions. I have loads of muslim friend for years and we always had tolerance understanding and respect for the others religions but after watching this there is loads of tension, becos now they think that i belong to a cult, and this makes me think that people who believe this are nothing but fools..so there goes respect and tolerance for other religions, which is something every religion preaches as one of the fundamental basics..including islam.. and in comes hatred.. so it seems more to me that the work of the Dajjal is being carried out by the makers of this video as they are spreading evil and hatred. There are other ways of making muslims conform to the ways of the quran, and educating them, but by standing on other peopls heads.. well that leaves alot to be said.. its very sad really…
September 10th, 2009 on 6:16 pm
great
September 18th, 2009 on 11:44 pm
I so agree with Mona
This series does nothing more than point the finger at other religions faiths and ways of looking at the world and try to say they are evil.
You mix your metaphors with casual abandon, and choose random refernces to back up your assertions, with little concern for the people that you misrepresent in your zeal. You have no right to appropriate the work of other people that you haven’t taken the time to try and understand (Kubrick, Tolkien…I mean, Apocalypto! what are you trying to say?) and use quotes out of context, simply picking the bits that back up your mad dangerous magical fantasies. Do you really think that a nutter like David Icke and his blatently stupid theories about alien human-lizard hybrid illuminati has anything to do with Islam?
In the case of the freemasons, it used to be highly fashionable amongst leftists and hippy types to see them as a conspiracy secret society that ran the world, but i have researched freemasonry extensively; I don’t have time to go into it but it is essentially a fraternity that evolved its secrecy in less tolerant, less SECULAR days, when religious bigotry and ignorance were in the ascendency in european society and people could not openly question or explore their own point of view without fear of persecution from the religious authorities (sound familiar?) OK, it was and is almost without exception the preserve of the aristicratic and eductaed classes, but then again is by and large a spent force in terms of influence, largely marginalised by such important modern developments as telecommunications, the women’s movement, 2 world wars and the devolution of the class system. I am not a mason, and indeed used to be concerned about the organisation but have since learnt the difference between paranoia and fact.
Political power comes from the barrel of a gun, as Osama and his ’student’ friends know only too well, not from some supernatural being.
You say that the Secular world is terrified of your scriptures, but history has taught us repeatedly that it is the other way around; religion as a guiding force and moral authority is all well and good but gone are the days when politica leaders can exploit religion and superstition to convince people they should die for it, just as the days when the rich could send millions off to die in their stupid wars are essentially over too. Its called PROGRESS and the driving force behind it is science, which through question, experiment and hypothesis, challenges the way we percieve the world, and is the mortal enemy of dogmatic blind faith.
And if there is a global consiracy, it is a conspiracy of consensus, complicity and cowardice, directed by no-one; our world is a runaway train.
Right that’s about all you deserve for today; you make me feel very unhappy, and I hope you can see your way through all this BS to the truth,that what you call God, is inside you, and you are a part of it. Your religion is a guiding path to help you see it, to grow and to develop spiritually. But you need to be on the path with your own feet, with your eyes and heart open. The strangers you meet on the way need not be your enemies.
September 19th, 2009 on 5:11 pm
mona and sound man’s comments are starting to make me doubt much of the doc..
September 19th, 2009 on 5:35 pm
me too. I’m confused!
September 23rd, 2009 on 1:58 am
Maybe Mona & Sound man work for the Masons,Dont let any one confuse you when the truth is in your hart,you know what is wrong or right.. So believe what you need to know,,not what you just see on tv or some where else..
Im watching this document,and even my own girl think im obsessed with this theorie that these guyz follow.. im glad i found this document,and i will keep it in my safe,thats in my Brain.. Open your Mind everybody and Wake Up… Much love from me,,out of Amsterdam,in Holland..
September 23rd, 2009 on 4:15 am
Its simple guys; the technique is called ‘quote mining’ you find things that fit your argument and edit them together to make a patchwork of supposed ‘authorities’
No doubt the folk who made these films believe what they are saying but they should speak plainly in their own words and not a) appropriate and misquote other sources and b) incite hatred towards other faiths and ways of life
i would fight to the death to defend your right to be a muslim, as long as you respected other faiths and beliefs and world views. would you do the same for me if this film told you i was an evil person?
September 23rd, 2009 on 2:57 pm
Hahaha Mr West
Yeah right, i work for the Masons. Hahaha
Why? Because I suggest that you are paranoid? The kind of ‘magical thinking’ evinced in these documentarie s display a staggering amount of ignorance. The idea that there is an evil satanic conspiracy, all operated by a sinister secret mafia-like society is just stupid and demonstrates a unsound grip on reality, and a gullability for the fear-mongers and bigots taht are selling you this conspiracy theory nonesense.
I do not work for ‘the masons’ nor am I member; you have clearly not read my post through; I researched them myself because I had read the source material (Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Stephen Knight’s books, Spear of Destiny etc) many years ago, and wanted to find out for myself…unlike you it takes more than a few quotes out of context and selective arguments to convince me; I am educated and perfectly able to do my own research, and am not so lazy to just look at websites that reinforce my own prejudices; in those days we had to go librarys (remember them?) and to talk to people.
As for the truth being in your heart, well yes you could say that, as metaphor for there being an internal, spiritual or meta-physical aspect to our consciousness.
I would laugh at you and say that what is in your heart is blood!
If we are talking about right and wrong, a robust exploration of one’s own moral/ ethical framework is always good for you in my opinion; I say never assume that you are right, especially when you are talking about stuff that is very poor on evidence. I would suggest that it is ridiculous to blmae supernatural forces and secret societies for social conditions. I’d like to hear your arguments to support the evidence of your ‘heart’ when the facts are clearly contrary.
Mr West, I would be very worried if my child was obssessing about freemasonic satanic david icke conspiracies and the end of the world when she should be enjoying her youth and freedolm and learning abotu the world
September 23rd, 2009 on 11:00 pm
i think sound man is being too judgemental and is thinking too much, if the video had to turn us against oder religions well ther are NUMEROUS other ways of doing that! do u think they wud display 20 convincingly TRUE videos and totally ruin everything on the 30th one? HA!
September 25th, 2009 on 10:26 pm
Light
I am thinking too much?
As for the rest of this series, I’m working my through but I’m busy. If and when I see one with a positive message I will have no qualms about offering my support; in my other posts I have even agreed wth some of eth sentiments, if not the methods of delivery and the underlying messages.
And yes I being judgemental, I am using my knowledge and applying rationality to the half-baked assertions in these videos. The ‘evidence’ is weak and cannot stand up to scrutiny.
September 26th, 2009 on 7:17 am
Salam
For Soundman and Mona, you know I agree with you guys but up to a certain extent, with Mona yes this documentry will cause tensionsbetween religions but honestly if your friends were smart enough and if any muslim and non-muslim was smart enough they would see that the documenttry is not attacking polythiestic religions, they are simply letting you know what similarities each polythiestic religion has and the relations with the Dajjal. If you take a look at stats and history monotheism are the three top religions of the world today, and this is no coinscidence it is simply the truth that there is only one God, and for Mona to say that Hinduism only has one God she is right, but please let me know if I’m right or wrong…How many Gods do you associate with your one God?
Also I would like to say that the poeple behind this documentry are not telling the veiwers to hate or suspect other religions, they are simply telling you beleive in your own but don’t get misguided.
So keep your non0muslim friends and continue to do what you do, but be sure to stay true to your religion, your lord and to strive for the hereafter and not for this world and it’s worldly desires.
So as a muslim I urge all other muslims to remain peacful towards other religions and to not cause any tension, because the people behind this documentry are conveying a message, it depends how you take it, as a muslim and as a non-muslim you should take the good and leave the bad.
Salam
September 26th, 2009 on 7:46 pm
Nice one caliphate; well put
September 30th, 2009 on 10:58 pm
By the way, the messages in these video’s can not only be found here, research it yourself and you’ll find that these same views have been derided by muslims, christians, jews, atheists, etc.
So if you want to find out the same messages from a non islamic point of view, google it yourself, and you’ll find them 100%
This series has been done in the Islamic point of view, and i’m glad it has, because I have total faith in Islam and it’s teachings!!!
Sound Man, have you ever researched the Qur’an (Koran)? This is the word of Allah (God) himself. Would love to find out how you put a spin on that!!!
October 1st, 2009 on 1:29 am
The earlier scriptures are not preserved in their original form and have undergone changes with the passage of time,still we find recognizable glimpses of such prophecies pointing to prophet Muhammad(pbuh).Examples:
1)In Jewish and Christian Scriptures :
There are references both in the old Testament and New Testament : Deuteronomy 18:18,Genesis 21:13 ,18, Isaiah 42:1-13,John 16:7-14,John 14:16
2)In Hindu Scriptures :
The prophet is mentioned as “Mahamad” IN Bhavishya Puran (Prati Sarg Parv 111:3,3,5-8)and as “Narashansaha”in an Atharava Veda(20th chapter ,Kuntap Sukt)which literally means “the praised one” in English,equivalent in meaning to the arabic name “Muhammad”
3)In Buddhist Scriptures : The prophet is mentioned as “Maitreya” or “Mettaya”(Miroku in Japanese ,Mei-ta-li-ye in Chinese ,Mahitreja in Tibetan)which means “Mercy unto all” ,as the quran calls the prophet (pbuh)(Quran 21:107)
4)In Zoroastrian(Parsi)Scriptures :
The prophet to come is mentioned as “Soeshyant”(the mercy unto all)and “Astvat-ereta” in Zend Avesta and also in Dasatir,epistle of Sasan i,55-61(See ‘muhammad in parsi,Hindoo,and Buddhist Scriptures by A.H Vidyarthi and U.Ali ,published by ISLAMIC book service,New Delhi,India)
Prophecies about advent of Muhammad (pbuh)in earlier scriptures world-wide indicate that
a)source of all the revealed religions is the same or in other words the religion of all earlier prophet was the same(“Islam”)
b)The awaited Prophet i.e prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is the universal prophet.All people now are called upon to examine his history and to follow his teachings
@Caliphate :Jazakallah kheir for wonderful comment.
October 1st, 2009 on 1:40 am
@Sound man :
“I’d like to hear your arguments to support the evidence of your ‘heart’ when the facts are clearly contrary.”
Hmm…..Heart rules mind or mind rules heart?
If mind does then mind is affected by surroundings.Mind is affected when one grasp or interprets something from society.Today society and surrounding even before also affect everybody,no body can escape.
That’s one point.How will heart rule brain because it is brain (mind)that controls heart.Heart pumps and purifies blood.But how does that happen when impulses come from mind and transmit a message to heart saying heart to purify blood and again impulse comes and transmit message to vein to circulate pure blood in body.
Without heart or brain one can’t survive.But will society or surrounding affect brain first or heart?
If one part of body gets damaged which part of body is more affected?”Brain”How?
Psychological effect ,though brain is in right position.
Now you tell,how will heart function properly if the brain is grasping or interpreting or learning something bad from the society and thinking that what ever he is learning is good for him where as it is not?
Confusing,i myself am confused..lol
Cheers:)
October 2nd, 2009 on 8:36 pm
Z
I have indeed researched the Koran and Islam, as I have too with Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Animism, Wicca, the Occult, Freemasonry, Mediteranian Paganism, and many other faith systems. If I told you what I think about Islam you might be offended, since I cannot accept the position that it was revealed by a supernatural entity. But ultimately, as I have posted elsewhere, if your faith helps you be a better person, then I also have to accept it as a good thing. I am not trying to convert you or encourage you to apostacy; it would be pointless. I am interested in challenging the unqualified attacks, unproven speculative conspiracy theories and dangerous half-truths that these videos propogate. If you can come back at me with rational arguments rather than more quotes from scripture, which is qualfied in your worldview by your faith, which I have already stated I’m not buying into, then we can have a debate.
October 2nd, 2009 on 8:38 pm
Rockz
Errr
Yeah right, man.
October 4th, 2009 on 8:39 pm
Okay, I see everyone is getting rather carried away.
There are conspiracy theories, all over the world about all sorts of things. And everyone is entitled to express their beliefs regarding these things. However, it is so important to avoid discriminating other faiths and cultures whilst making a subject relevant to one particular faith/culture. That is not an educated explanation nor a smart way to raise awareness.
I do believe in the existence of secret societies and occult symbolism, however, in my opinion it is something of a global subject rather than directly relating to one group of people or the other. I believe these things affect everyone, however, it is not something we should be obsessing about. Careful and neutral research is a must in these situations and you must remember that the internet is used by the world over – you have a large audience, many of whom will just take your word for and assume your opinion as their own. That is their own shortcoming but you must make sure that you are not passing on discrimination as part and parcel of these opinions, nor a narrow mindedness.
Part of an islamic essence is humanity and so, please take caution in the production of your videos. It is very easy to offend, therefore, an art of diplomacy is needed and in my opinion, more depth in knowledge about the matter at hand. Otherwise, there is, indeed, a feeling of isolating Muslims from the rest of the world as the only affected by any global issues. This is not true. EVERYONE is affected but everyone must deal with it according to their own beliefs but according to human principles too.
Please, take heed.
Salaam.
October 6th, 2009 on 10:03 am
” If I told you what I think about Islam you might be offended, since I cannot accept the position that it was revealed by a supernatural entity.”
Elaborate please….
I wish to know what reason makes u think like that,it will be learning part for me.
In one way i will get clear concept
and
on second hand more closer to God(AS my believe)
October 7th, 2009 on 10:16 am
Everyone should chillout and watch the whole series AND then start talking cuz there’s no point talking while you’re half threw since some things get explained later on in the series
Peaceout (H) from hollandia
October 7th, 2009 on 2:56 pm
I am a muslim. and i think that the muslims who did this video and think the way they think, are idiots. checkered floors being pathway to another dimension, proved from a matrix video. duh! even that is wrong. when neo visits morpheus, they are both inside the matrix. and matrix isnt a dimension, its a computer program. i am sure the ppl who believes the theory put forward by this video will remember that and will feel like a stupid now!
October 8th, 2009 on 6:13 pm
Rockz
I won’t elaborate, no, since my position with this forum is to point out the inconsistancies and flaws in the arguments that these videos are riddled with. If I were to engage in metaphysical or theological debate with you, it would be too easy for my critics to say I am trying to attack your religion. I am not trying to convert you; why would I want to?
But, please, don’t let people mislead you with selective arguments.
I commend Amira for her (?) balanced and considered posting. however think it is naive to suppose that the producers of these videos have any interest in anything but their own agenda.
October 22nd, 2009 on 3:21 pm
Just try to get the big picture. They do their best trying to make vids, so sometimes they have to take images out of the context; not judging those images but only showing them as an example.
October 25th, 2009 on 8:07 pm
not good enough Mohamed, not good enough at all; if this is there best then they are doomed to be poor filmakers forever. i have argued extensively in the intro chapter about how and why they are wrong in this approach
October 28th, 2009 on 3:10 am
Interesting.. keep up the good work guys…
October 29th, 2009 on 1:49 am
Assalam Alaikum,
I’ve been reading much of the comments and I have to say whether you agree with it or not the information in this document is interesting. Take the info and build up on it or at least take the information you know and research it on your own time and I’m pretty sure some of these statements will indeed be relevent. I have a Hindu friend and she told me that her family has a past of praying to GODS not God but Gods so it does occur in most areas. I don’t want to seem rude it really is just my character, but these people actually did do a lot of research on this subject; you can tell by their editing, and awesome inputs of analogies. This emphasizes, broadens and clarifies doubts subjected in this world. If you can explain better, which I doubt, on how some of these things actually came about I’d watch those videos as well. Some of these stuff shouldn’t be taken seriously because they aren’t trying to provoke paranoia! Instead these are examples like the matrix duh! How come people who watch movies like that wonder if there really are other dimensions like that or allow themselves to live in a fantasy world?? Simple, because the human mind wants to believe whatever it wants. The people who worked on this documentary simply worked on that idea, take what people want to believe and compare it to what people need to believe.
Allah Ma3akum
October 30th, 2009 on 12:46 am
Ive watched The Arrivals twice now, and as far as I know it is pretty accurate.
Now i know hindues are a little upset because yes I agree that the Sanatana Dharma (real term for Hindu) believe in one god, or suppose to anyway, but there is no hiding the fact that they have many many demi gods, which is actually against their holy book.
You can angry as much as you like at the makers of this film, but it doesnt change the truth that ‘Hindues’ worship many gods. Its irrelevant whether they are demi gods or not.
Im sure your holy book doesnt advise drinking urine, but i know you filthy people do it.
It’s very simple, polytheism religions are always and at all times impure and negative with very dark sides to them.
I challenge anyone to disprove this.
Your cast systems, worshipping of Elephants, Monkeys, Demons, Penis aka Cocks.
There is also the ritual of priests who go around the country naked, and the women atleast, maybe the men, bow down and kiss the holy cock.
This is fucking madness.
Come on people, this has nothing to do with truth or loyalty to god, but it is only loyal to the ‘old boys club’.
Besides Indians historically generally have never had a problem with invasion or oppression from outsiders aslong as their bellys are full and so are their bank accounts.
I know alot of people are washing their hands of this project for example, but alot of the issues presented in the film are actually historically correct.
I have read of alot of people accussing these guys of working for Government Agencies etc, but even if that is the case, the facts speak for themselves.
I think one of the problems non muslims have with this film and other films like this, is that Islam, the Prophet pbuh were the first to warn the world regarding these events.
Also many Muslim scholars and writers were way ahead of people like David Icke and Alex Jones.
Actaully if there are 2 people who are likely to be working for Government, it is Alex Jones and David Icke.
David Ickes first scam was to present himself as the messiah, the son of god.
When he got laughed out of the Churches and society itself, he regrouped and struck gold the second time.
Alex Jones, is an American Patriot.
But the problem with ALex Jones is that he fails to recognise the Masonic Foundations of the USA.
If the foundations are masonic, that means it is Satanic.
How can Alex Jones preach the ‘pperspective of the founding fathers’, when in fact they were virtually all Masons ????
No wonder the world wants rid of Muslims and Islam.
Lets hope not too many sell their souls to the Devil in ignorance.
Peace Out.
October 30th, 2009 on 12:56 am
Btw One more thing.
A few comments are above are critical of the way the film makers have approached this project.
The truth should always be presented straight forward and to the point, and that is exactly the way the guys have done it, good on you.
Now as for the other people, who i think are critical for the sake of it or are laughing at the film makers, unless you have proof to disprove the facts, than i suggest you remain quiet.
That is the problem with these internet, tv & media junkies, no one reads a fucking book these days, yet everyone is some sort of professor or scholar.
November 1st, 2009 on 4:46 pm
@Nayim..Bravo..very well said bro.
Reality and truth is always there for a person who wants to accept it.
November 29th, 2009 on 2:49 am
The point of the series is not degrade any religion as we being muslims have high regard for the Prophets Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them)….the thing about the Hindu Gods reference also doesn’t mean that Hindus are evil….I being a muslim know that there are evil muslims in our society as well…they take bribe, drink wine etc that doesn’t make Islam as a bad religion….those are individuals….the point is uncovering those evil people who are deceiving and controlling the minds of innocent people
December 14th, 2009 on 7:22 am
I enjoy your series .. and all you people who disagree ..dont watch it if it offends u.. its a doc about the antichrist .. the goal isnt to shun other religous.. their goal is to open the eyes of Muslims and pretty much everyone around the world .. stop trying to change the true meaning of this doc.
Salam3alaikum.
-Isra
December 30th, 2009 on 5:32 am
Plz cud u change ur theme music.As it iz a little spooky..I have watched the doc,and i believe it to be very interesting with some true points..
December 30th, 2009 on 9:36 pm
As far as i know…it is not forbidden to liaise with the jinns, many scholars even of these day liaise with them in order to teach them (I know of this, I have seen a jinn), and there are various hadiths about jinns wanting to marry human beings but that is a seperate topic. There are events in history where very pious scholars have been given the ability to see and gain assistance from jinns with no hidden agenda and with no demand from their side. As humans were once used as slaves by other human beings, some humans did it out of respect and for islamic reward (thawab), same as many pious jinns also like to serve pious jinns and human beings on matter of reward. This is a very important point to remember.
January 11th, 2010 on 2:36 pm
Salam.
Nooo..these vids are not tryin to cause any tension
between religions.if u think yes,then plz do tell me when?which part??they actually said wars shouldn’t be
between muslims,christians nor jews!
anyways….good job u guys,,wow wow wow!!
Allah Ma3akom:)
January 27th, 2010 on 1:39 am
Alsalam 3elikom
Atahualpa:
You are offended because he showed the movie where a human sacrifice if offered to the Gods? So you are saying that your ancestors didn’t sacrifice people to please their Gods? or that you are proud of such actions?!!
If you are descended from Mayans, then that doesn’t mean you liked all that they did! Criticizing one aspect of their idol-worshiping doesn’t mean that the whole civilization is negatively presented!
I don’t understand how one’s pride blind him into getting offended over nothing!
January 27th, 2010 on 1:45 am
mona:
You are a Hindu, I get it! I have a Hindu friend myself.
Getting offended is understood…But denying your own beliefs to make a statement is not!
Hinduism is a complex religion that one can’t even begin to understand! But no Hindu will deny the vast number of deities they have…
There is a supreme being but they are numerous other deities as well…So ultimately , we have many Gods!
January 27th, 2010 on 1:58 am
Sound man:
I thought of a way to answer to your comments! And I got pretty good one too..
But then I thought to myself: why?! What’s the use?!
There is no common ground for debate here even if we pretended there is. Humanity, common sense, logic…
But what good will it get me in debating with someone who denies the one thing that defines me as a human being?! I take pride in my faith, I believe it like life itself…
Allah says in the Quran that there will come a day (Judgment) when He will tell us all that we need to know and answer to all our arguments. So I will ask him inshallah to show me your face then …
January 27th, 2010 on 2:10 am
talha and ahmed:
What are you confused about? The documentary or your faith? Be specific…
If the documentary, then it’s the work of humans, brilliant as it is, it is still subject to error and personal understanding.
As they are trying to show you the bigger picture, they may have depended too much on movies but I believe this is what they had at hand to convey it.
If it is your faith you ‘re confused about, then be careful! Not the words of a “sound man” waver or shake your faith…
Because here it is not the work of humans which can be flawed, it is the work of Almighty Allah that never makes mistakes and never forgets..
Aldajjal is a true thing mentioned in the prophet’s teachings, and this documentary is just to show the grave danger that accompany him..
You have to protect your self by unwavering faith and by reciting the do3a’a min aldajjal after the last tashahod in every prayer..
Prophet’s Mohammad PBUH said:”No graver danger faces my people that the danger of Aldajjal (anti-Christ)”
May Allah protect us and our children.
Alsalam 3alikom